:: Mr E drawing/personality splinters/Shy/Ronald's the antichrist ::
by AndyFromJava, lilah, animated5, and Deus_Ex_Machina
::| an.exquisite.corpse : discussion : 34 |::
Ronald is the antichrist ! Hah I love it! Poor Mr E. Draw whose personality splintered shyly and desolved into Ronald the Anti-christ - We didn't do too bad huh?
lilah at June 30, 2006 8:20 AM
hee! well, life is what you make of it, right? :)
unapologetic at June 30, 2006 9:01 AM
wow! great panel Andy!
tony at June 30, 2006 9:08 AM
Andy, that is awesome! I think it's the first time I've ever seen an exquisite corpse on here that actually started with a head! You should post that starting panel over at Hand-Drawn where it'll get a less cut-and-paste response.
I love the bottom frame, too. He is, you know. It's a matter of simple math:
McDonalds=evil
Clowns=evil
Therefore Ronald=evil^2
I think I recognize that Vallejo painting on the left.
dagfooyo at June 30, 2006 10:21 AM
Oh, and animated5, props for a great starting panel- simple and elegant. I like the open space.
dagfooyo at June 30, 2006 10:23 AM
er... I meant "first" panel, rather than "starting". As in YOUR first panel. Oh you know what I mean ^_^
dagfooyo at June 30, 2006 10:24 AM
lilah, uh...
Mariam at June 30, 2006 10:30 AM
Strange... when I first saw this corpse, I thought the top panel was done by tony. Looks just like his style of drawing.
Crucibelle at June 30, 2006 12:42 PM
This one is a bit of a mess. It's a shame, but I guess they can't all work.
mjhoward at June 30, 2006 1:48 PM
What? I think this one is kind of awesome!
Andy's panel is like the most awesome thing ever!!! Is that original work?
And Lilah, what you did here works really well with Andy's start.
Shae at June 30, 2006 1:51 PM
It comes back again to whether this is really anything-goes or if there are some kind of... I don't want to say "rules"... at least some kind of "spirit".
I cringed when I saw this one and I knew right away who was responsible for the second panel.
To me making a whole panel out of copies of a slice is just one step away from a Fresh Prince. To me, it pretty much ruins the corpse.
I always hold my tongue about this, but I feel I have to speak out on this one.
Jim at June 30, 2006 3:57 PM
I know what you're saying, Jim. I think Lilah's history of doing slices like this make it a little less desirable. However, in this case I think it looks downright cool, and if it wasn't an old trick that we're tired of seeing, we might all see it for an interesting pattern in its own right.
To me, the last two players are slightly more guilty of abandoning the clues in this particular case than Lilah is. I would have liked to see more bright colors and hand drawing and frivolous spirit rather than a switch to photography and dreary black.
But the last players didn't really do anything wrong either. I think it came out fairly cool.
Shae at June 30, 2006 5:05 PM
Jim,
I agree with you, completely.
Crucibelle at June 30, 2006 5:20 PM
thanx dagfooyo, I really like your corpse 428,pinning his bizarrotron, great blends, colours and theme.
Im not a E.C. virgin anymore 'Yippie' it was less painful than I thought.
There is so much amazing work going on here, corpsing is fantastic, so much talent.
cool to see the piece you were sent then the corpse as a whole. I like this one, Mr E looks very happy. I like your stuff lilah.
Cheers
a5
animated5 at June 30, 2006 6:57 PM
My first corpse. My panel didn't really blend...but I figured that evil ronald would make up for that. :)
Leo at June 30, 2006 10:23 PM
oh, yeah...The above comment was mine.
A few more corpses and I'll be producing much better panels...but how does one go about sticking with the color scheme?
Deus_Ex_Machina at June 30, 2006 10:47 PM
Hmm!
I don't think this one will be on my desktop any time soon.
I think this may be lilah's best panel I have seen............
Mr. E is original work, Shae, and thanks for the compliments, fellow corpsers.
AndyFromJava at July 1, 2006 2:12 AM
Yep I do like a good clone tool no question there but the how is not the point. Some folks just don't like or see what I do and that is ok. Shame you few can't get over it and get into the spirit of collaboration but oh well. Thanks Shea for the kinder words. Seems folks didn't like it when I was really doing things free hand and they still don't like it now I'm not. Doesn't surprise me, I am used to being a sore thumb. Lots of ways of looking at things and lots of ways to see them too.
lilah at July 1, 2006 7:31 AM
Maybe I'm just a Fresh Prince in life.
lilah at July 1, 2006 7:35 AM
Do you also bring checkers to a chess game?
FogBaron at July 1, 2006 9:32 AM
Deus, I think you did a good job sticking to the color scheme you were given.
Shae at July 1, 2006 9:43 AM
I checked out your website, Andy, and your work is awesome! So glad to have you around!
Shae at July 1, 2006 9:48 AM
Heh No, Fogbaron, I actually used to play a decent game of chess back when I was playing. I stink at checkers though - go figure.
lilah at July 3, 2006 4:01 PM
"get into the spirit of collaboration"
might try a bit of that yourself, lilah.
moose at July 4, 2006 12:27 AM
Some nice stuff here. Andy, your slice is awesome! Lilah, do you even try? One might think you did it on purpose.
damselfly at July 4, 2006 10:38 PM
Shame.
VeryStrictHeadmistress at July 5, 2006 1:00 AM
i dunno... i have to agree with jim on this one. if the visual cues in the given slice was somewhat abstract, then i'd say lilah's technique would work. but with this one, it almost feels like there was total disregard to what was given. It was clearly an illustrated piece with a hand in there and some vertical line thingies in the slice she had received yet she chose to do her own thing. I kinda wish there was at least an attempt to continue what was started with a not so perfect seam and not so perfect hand drawing than a straight up clone, cut, paste and shift of pixels.
psychopooch at July 5, 2006 1:58 PM
btw... nice starting panel Andy!
psychopooch at July 5, 2006 2:23 PM
Of course what I do is on purpose, not only on purpose but deliberate and with forethought and totally without malice. I don't see a single guideline which says I have to use certain elements in a certain way. Quite the contrary, it says you may include whatever you want in your section. So, ok if you can't see or understand what I am doing or even if you just don't like what I do, you have several choices, simplest would be to pass on any corpse which I take part in. You can continue to berate me and refuse to look and try to understand what I am actually putting into my slice, or you can see if you can try to learn to look at things more deeply. Not to replace or change how you see anything but to add another dimention as an adjunct. One thing you won't be doing is stopping me from creating what I do while I continue to do what I can to learn to be seamless of not princeless. No where iin the rules does it say that I must continue in the style that the previous person used in the 15 pixels passed.
lilah at July 6, 2006 3:33 PM
Jim: btw you haven't correctly identified the place where the seam (if it were to exist) would be. Before you are so sure I disregarded the previous panel you might consider figuring where the real seam lies.
lilah at July 6, 2006 4:51 PM
Andy, your panel is pretty cool. I can draw pretty well but there's something about the style that it was drawn in that makes me keep looking. My fellow morticians can expect some hand drawn stuff from me soon...or as soon as I get a scanner.
Deus_Ex_Machina at July 6, 2006 10:39 PM
I didn't say anything about a seam. I take issue with copying chunks of the 15-px slice one is given and filling the whole panel with pasted pieces of it.
Again I'm not talking about rules, I'm talking about "spirit". You know, the groove.
Imagine each corpse is something like jazz improv. The first soloist sets a theme, and the second soloist launches off it. In the second panel we've got the visual equivalent of sampling part of what the first soloist did and playing it back a bunch of times on top of itself.
This is collaborative art. To me, grooving together is the whole point. Putting basically noise in your panel has the potential to interfere with the groove.
And the crazy thing is, it's possible to make an excellent panel with sampling and noise... it just has to "work".
Ah what the hell it can't be defined. "If you have to ask what jazz is, man, you'll never know." -Louis Armstrong
Jim at July 7, 2006 9:04 AM
Jim stated it so perfectly that his reply should be posted somewhere for all to see.
All your words don't add up to much, Lilah. I do realize you do what you do intentionally but my underlying question was: Do you do it because you can't do it any other way or do you do it because you simply refuse to collaborate or do you do it because you enjoy sabotaging other's efforts and stirring things up? Maybe all of the above?
damselfly at July 9, 2006 10:39 PM
I draw with those pieces as well as with the various direct drawing and painting tools in my graphics client - some of you can't seem to see what it is I am putting in there so it is likely that one of two things are happening. 1) I am being too subtle with my images or keeping it too abstract or 2) you are refusing to look deeply to see what is really going on. (Not all of you fall into this 2nd catagory thankfully, there are a few who do see.) In the case of 1) I will attempt to be clearer and perhaps less subtle and; in the case of 2) there isn't much I can do. There is no restriction on how I am to use my slice in terms of how or what I fill it with, there is only one on blending the seams which I am doing if you find the correct seam place to look at - On an overall basis (through a series of corpses) my idea is to take the preceding panel (when my panel falls in the middle) and to do two things with it beyond making no seam. Firstly, deconstruct the previous image to allow it to flow into another idea and secondly; to provide a statement of my own (in this particular corpse there are some facial images used to convey my themes) and a transition platform (the final 15 pixels) for the following corpser to reconstruct the corpse in their own style. If we stop fussing with eachother what would end up happening is a truely surreal corpse which talks in the voice of 4 individuals working together rather than 1 individual and 3 trying to emulate that one. Ok that is my last attempt to explain and I will once again reiterate - if you hate what I do or the ways I see things oh well I can't please everyone. It is entirely possible I don't like what you do as much as you dislike my stuff, however, I would never say it in such a rude way to your face, as it has been said to me. I am done, with these discussions on the board in this way - those who wish to have some reasonable discussion about various ways to approach corpses and corpsing without the insults are welcome to email me directly.
lilah at July 11, 2006 12:33 PM
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