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hahaha...what?
no idea...i love it.
kvasir at March 6, 2006 7:10 AM
Yeah, um, ok, that second section is all very clever, but I'd like to point out that anyone resorting to an "ironic" Fresh Prince in the future, will not see it posted. And if I'd seen that at the outset, I probably wouldn't have let it slide in the first place, but I didn't want to throw out two other sections to do so.
Just for future reference.
Phineas at March 6, 2006 7:11 AM
eh, forget Phin. This is really clever and - to me at least- original. I am still a young corpser that hasn't gone through more than tree pages of the archives so what do I know? ;)
Zounds Padang at March 6, 2006 7:59 AM
Phineas, Phineas, Phineas......you don't seem to understand that my section ISN'T a fresh prince. Notice the continued edges? The way I wanted it to be was that the first part was a picture in a news paper. The whole fresh prince thing was just beacause I wanted to make it funny. Sure, I could have continued the picture, but I didn't know exactly what it was (and I seriously didn't have the skills to extend it), and just like any newspaper, you might not get the whole "picture." For it to qualify as a fresh prince, it needs to look out of place. I think mine extends quite well.
Aaron (kopaka88) at March 6, 2006 9:06 AM
I absolutely LOVE this corpse! Sometimes I get a little sick of irony too, but this pulls it off so well due to the way Kopaka continues the frame and color background and the way whirr picks up the theme with the goofy office worker pictures on the left and the "where death is set" postcard. It looks like flyer or advertisement for a theme park starring the Ironic Prince geared toward the Dilbert crowd. Excellent!
Ann at March 6, 2006 9:12 AM
I think it's great! Slice 2 is original and besides.....what better way to learn than to keep playing.
Wild........ at March 6, 2006 9:13 AM
Hence the attachment of the "ironic" modifier. I see what you were doing and I get the joke, such as it is. I'm just saying it's not something I care to see repeated.
(For the record: not knowing exactly what you're getting in your slice is the whole point of the game. This is just my personal opinion but, I am certain you could have done something with that slice if you'd thought about it a little longer.)
But never mind me. I don't waste a lot of time getting judgemental about contributions. And I can count on one hand probably, the number of sections I've actually disallowed. But speaking as a player and as someone who has put together around 500 of these things, the bottom line is this: The functional difference between a negligent FP and an ironic FP is basically nil.
Phineas at March 6, 2006 9:22 AM
I really like this one. Today's edition of "The Caution" advises that death is set in East for our beloved Fresh Prince. (There must be stories on page 2 about the potential victims pictured here.)
Also the border, main color scheme and theme is carried virtually throughout.
FogBaron at March 6, 2006 9:29 AM
Ah. sorry, Phineas. The thing is, I tried different ways of extending his, but they all just looked horrible. I decided that even though this was a bit of a risk, it was the best option. (In my opinion) And besides, the thing on a whole looks great.
Aaron (kopaka88) at March 6, 2006 9:34 AM
If I were kvasir or Miroje I'd be really pissed about this one. It's disrespectful to put that little effort into your piece. The FP section was a cop-out, not irony. At least call it what it is. Aaron, if you couldn't figure out how to extend circular lines and a mottled beige background, maybe you should reconsider playing this game.
NotAmused at March 6, 2006 9:42 AM
holy crap NotAmused that's a finger pointer of a statement you know?
Miroje, i'm in awe.
cricket at March 6, 2006 10:51 AM
I'm torn on this one. Pretty flippin funny and on the whole the corpse looks great. But I'm also with Phineas: a self-aware-FP-in-jest is still a functional FP.
Good job anyways. Just don't do it again ;-)
mattb at March 6, 2006 10:53 AM
I agree with mattb. Even more so, perhaps.
However, I'd like to add that this is far less FP-ish than some recent offerings which claimed to be following the rules. *Now* where do we draw the line? (so to speak)
This site is great!
jakedrews at March 6, 2006 11:02 AM
Woah, chil out NotAmused! I thought the whole point of this game was to be creative and have fun. My piece was not disrespectful, it was my artisitic creativity. Second, i've actually talked to kvasir about this, and he said that he really likes my piece. So here's my advice to you, you can give critisism, but don't tell me how to play the game ok? i'm sure you would have done something differently if you got this peice, but you didn't. I got it, and I did what I saw fit. If you don't like how other people play, maybe YOU shouldn't be the one playing this game.
Aaron (kopaka88) at March 6, 2006 11:08 AM
I love kvasir’s laughter. Though the vibration of it has never tickled my ears; I’ve heard it in various electronic formats, and I believe it’s the kind of laughter that makes you smile and makes you laugh too.
What a bright and shiny weekend this has been. Full of insights, enlightenment, revelations ,and new treasure popping out of the strangest boxes.
Sadly, I’m down to half a honey-roasted walnut for a brain and have only mustered my way between the first and second syllable of the word contained in the leading panel. I got hungry this weekend, and then I heard Bill Porter’s stomach growling…and, well…there you go.
I’m more interested in taking my half nut and understanding the irrelevance of DPI, and breaking down the mechanics of color management and proportion constraints than reviewing this corpse. It’s good, it’s fine, but it’s ordinary – not remarkable, nor noteworthy.
It is insightful, however, in my own misunderstanding. The difference between exquisite corpses and the digital dead. The preference over traveling carnivals and side show freaks, over internationally franchised theme parks filled with fabulous animatronic creatures.
I believe I’ve been quite the traditionalist and a narrow-minded one at that. Maybe that will change, and maybe it won’t, but it’s certainly good to know – I should have checked the bus pass a bit more closely.
To my fellow corpsers: Nice work!
Miroje at March 6, 2006 11:20 AM
And...thank you, Cricket!
Miroje at March 6, 2006 11:23 AM
oh, I forgot to say it, but I love what whirr did with mine. I don't think I've laughed so hard in a long time. Plus, kudos to both kvasir and Miroje for great slices too. Miroje especially for a great end.
Aaron (kopaka88) at March 6, 2006 11:29 AM
ART FIGHT!!! (the first rule of Art Fight Club should be "Talk about Art Fight Club", but I digress...). After much group consensus through the month of February, now seems to be the winter of our discontent, to paraphrase Francis Bacon.
I love this place. I love the argument today. And I get what everyone is saying. I love the corpse. I bet if the newspaper concept had been done, as nicely as it was here, with a subject other than the Fresh Prince, it would have gone over differently. Something to consider.
The whole thing really works despite any content issues. I like the dangerous ferris wheel, death in the lovely East and especially love the acupuncture/phrenology (from the East) headed editor creating the paper in Miroje's panel. Awesome. And the border going all the way around (I was just talking about that) but revealing at the bottom an art deco/industrial cage place behind. Wicked.
Cicada at March 6, 2006 1:48 PM
Wrong Bacon, isn'tit Roger? Hell maybe it is Kevin. what do i know?
Sein und Zeit at March 6, 2006 2:33 PM
Actually, I think his name was Willy, Sein und Zeit -- it just depends on what conspiracy theory you follow.
Miroje at March 6, 2006 2:39 PM
I couldn't make my mind up about this one so I consulted my daughter (16 mnths) who said," Ahhhhh Goooooooo". So there we have it. Mistrust all systematizers. The will to a system shows a lack of integrity. Or so she said.
droozle at March 6, 2006 2:39 PM
i'd prefer to see at least an attempt being made to continue the border received, successful or not. i mean we get a week, plus a three day grace period, to work on our contributions... and i'm not a fan of text in art. but then i'm not a fan of the "Exquisite Collage" style in general either, and would much prefer to see hand drawn/hand painted art with a very very very very limited use [if any :o] of clip art. so don't mind me.
i posted in the forum with limited response... while we seem to have an admin or moderator's ear i'll mention it again. most corpse fall into the collage or photo manip category. i'd love to see a hand drawn only addition. then those who wish to work on one style, or the other, or both could specify there preference and be offered pieces that reflect their choice.
tony at March 6, 2006 2:41 PM
i can't say i bear the slightest grudge against kopaka88...i mean, it would have been interesting to see what could have been done with a ferris wheel, but it's much better that he's pissed off a bunch of people while i can sit back and keep laughing, if only for my and miroje's apparent enjoyment. Miroje's piece finishes it off wonderfully, and i'm wicked happy that the border made it down to the bottom- it's like some aliens or grey skinned humans are arguing over what is and isn't art, even while it's still in progress. kind of like what's going on here.
kvasir at March 6, 2006 2:50 PM
There's no function in the CMS that could do what you want it to, Tony. And it would be a lot of work to build such a function in. And really, if what you want to do is work on hand-drawn Corpses, why not get some people together and just start folding some paper?
Phineas at March 6, 2006 2:53 PM
No, Roger Bacon, the Franciscan monk/alchemist was alive in the 13th century. Francis bacon the philosopher/Rosicrucian (likely) was alive late 16th to early 17th century and was contemporary with Shakespeare. And Sizzlean isn't really bacon at all.
Cicada at March 6, 2006 3:20 PM
"-it's like some aliens or grey skinned humans are arguing over what is and isn't art, even while it's still in progress. kind of like what's going on here."
Oh man, I just processed that. That's deep. The corpse is about the conversation about the corpse. Twilight Zoney. Now I've got this Eschery mobius strip/trip in my brain. Cool. This wheel may be dangerous but the ride sure is fun.
Cicada at March 6, 2006 3:41 PM
I agree with everyone, but mostly with Phineas.
This happened to work, and it looks cool. The newspaper thing is neat. The debate and commentary is interesting. Many good points have been made.
But it's still a cop-out. If you don't feel that you can follow sentences 6-8 of step 6 of the rules, then maybe you should pass.
Shae at March 6, 2006 3:55 PM
ok, if it's too tough to tackle all at once i understand. but the function could be offered in the future in the next build or whatever. offering the option shouldn't be that hard. as far as getting together and "just folding paper" goes, it's much easier online to get together with a group of artists than in real life. unless you're still in school that is. the hand drawn is as legitimate a digital art form, and use of art progs, as the copy paste collage thing. why not just get together with scissors, paper, magazine's, and glue and cut out pictures and glue em. i'm not saying collage isn't fun for some, and as valid as the next form to some eyes. but "no photos allowed" is every bit as valid and fun. just takes a bit more work is all.
tony at March 6, 2006 4:22 PM
Wow, i'm suprised that I caused this much attention. I just figured everyone would be like "oh. ok" like my last one and just move on.
Anyways, ya'll are taking this the wrong way. I too would be upset if a FP ruined a corpse I worked on. But here's the thing...my slice dosn't ruin it. I didn't try to ruin it. I even extended the borders for it.
Look at it this way, if I had put different words in the box, then we wouldn't even be having this argument. It's only because I joked that this was a FP that people are acting like it is one.
Seriously, I thought this was the best way to do it.
And to people who would rather have people only do hand-drawn stuff *coughtonycough* then get used to it, because a lot of people have creative ideas, but can't draw. If this was only originally drawn stuff, this would exclude a lot of people.
And as for passing, sure I could have, but look at all the people who LIKE mine. None of them would have been able to enjoy it.
I for one, would rather see funny corpses than the usual stuff that gets posted here. (As amazing as that stuff is.) We all need a break from seriousnes once in awhile, so i tried to do something funny. If you like it, then good. If you don't like it, well i'm here to stay, baby. (that's not saying all my stuff will be like this one, because they wont. What it is saying is that my slices will always be funny, ironic, and composed mainly of pictures I find off of google. You do things your way, and i'll do them my way.)
Phew. Look, the bottom line is, I love this site. I would never do anything to ruin it. I'm just trying to have a little fun.
Aaron (kopaka88) at March 6, 2006 4:28 PM
Yay!!
And the frame made it 'all' the way round - 'cep where you can see those guys still painting.
Cooool!!!
Miroje:
I'm wondering if 'mustard' might go better with honey-roasted walnut.. just a thought.
Colin Vincent at March 6, 2006 4:37 PM
Oh! I just noticed! The border gets more "futuristic" as it continues. Cool!
Aaron (kopaka88) at March 6, 2006 4:38 PM
Colin:
I can see the possibility and allure of mustering for mustard, but no.
Mustard is reserved for hot salted pretzels (or hot salted pretzel legs), and on occasion, Stinging Mustard Spit Wads -- not that I engage in the launching of spit wads. Anymore.
But I do like the way you think. ;)
Miroje at March 6, 2006 5:03 PM
Tony, I think the hand-drawn ones are cool too, but you gotta understand where Phineas is coming from.
As far as I know, he does this thing for free. People have recommended that he add a drawing-only version, a monochromatic version, a match-best-players together version, a higher-dpi-for-t-shirts version, a horizontal version, a bottomless version, a square version, and just about everything else you can think of.
If you want to do another version, do what I did and offer to host it yourself (see the forum thread called "Exquisite Zombie.") You'll probably find that while there's some interest there isn't enough to support a whole new version of the game.
I'm sure Phineas doesn't have time to follow each of our daily whims. Let's give him props for what he's doing here. This site is really slick, comprehensive and well-programmed. And I love this game!
Shae at March 6, 2006 5:18 PM
For what it's worth, I agree with Phin as well. As it happens, I like this corpse--I'm a realy sucker for borders and, as someone pointed out, the color really is very consistant. On the other hand, I really don't like text. A word or two (as in Kvasir's) is great, but I'd rather see communication through imagery. For that reason, I think I might've objected (a little bit) regardless of the content.
Two more things of note: 1) Someone emailed me the first two halves of the corpse after I'd finished mine so I got a preview, which I think is pretty neat (although it felt a little like opening presents on the 23rd). and 2) I was really glad that kopaka88 used such an obscure font. If he's used Arial or something, I might have been tempted to add to his screed, but as it was it was all I could do to cut and paste an "east".
Whirr at March 6, 2006 5:30 PM
Whirr: Oh! I get it now! You copied and pasted the words! So that's why you uesed east! How funny! Very smart idea!
Aaron (kopaka88) at March 6, 2006 6:14 PM
Miroje:
I made a real nice Black Cherry sauce once [my own invention], the mustard in that... !!!
Perhaps, mustard with Pickled Walnuts?
Speaking of 'Pickled'.. hmm.. that reminds me... On the whole, I rather enjoy this corpse, notwithstanding certain 'issues'. And "The Lovely East Unbegotten" will blow me away every time!
Thanks :)
And, OBSCURE?:
The 'obscure' font is called Harrington, slightly 'stretched' in the headline, by the looks.
One of a number of built-in fonts in MS Word.
I use it often.
Colin Vincent at March 6, 2006 7:13 PM
Shae: i understand that it is work. i do appreciate the site and the work that goes into it. as far as the interest in 'hand drawn only' goes however, i think the only way to be sure is to try it. at tiles.ice.org the photomanip or collage work was far less popular than the hand drawn versions. the site's antique coding not being compatible with the onslaught of php updates is the only reason their not still going strong there. one of the quilts done there, the zoomquilt, drew 4 terrabytes of traffic the month it was released, so popularity of the hand drawn version isn't even an issue.
i do understand the reluctance to jump into something different, and harder to do from a programmer's and and artist's point of view. but everything worth doing isn't easy. it was only a suggestion/request anyway. i see that most people here prefer the clip art versions but that is perhaps all they know so far. what i didn't expect was the "why not just go fold paper" response i got.
sorry i brought it up, and i won't hijack the threads anylonger.
tony at March 6, 2006 7:15 PM
BTW:
I also love the way a WARNING hangs over Breaking News!. Now tell me THAT's 'coincidence'.
Hah!
Colin Vincent at March 6, 2006 7:19 PM
Are we done here?
FogBaron at March 6, 2006 7:55 PM
haha, i wouldn't count on it, FogBaron- someone's gonna want to get another word in.
kvasir at March 6, 2006 8:01 PM
WORD
Aaron (kopaka88) at March 6, 2006 8:12 PM
Me thinks, me thanks...and I do believe the little Droozlette may have something there.
Miroje at March 6, 2006 8:13 PM
I wish I could always do a hand drawn panel. I can't because I am talentless. Saying that however, the slice I just did is 99% hand drawn, well at least as far as the elements added are concerned. Everything else besides one addition is just a matter of adding effects to something here and there. We'll see if it works out.
Sein und Zeit at March 6, 2006 8:41 PM
i actually rather kinda don't mind this too much at all, though it was probably an idea that only really had one life to live, and now that life is gone... and i don't think it would go over quite so well a second time. that and i just wanted to say *something*, what with everybody else having so many somethings to say on this one. and plus i'm just tickled at seeing phineas get all huffy in defense of good corpsemanship! all hail our fearless leader!
unapologetic at March 7, 2006 12:30 AM
I don't know. I think the statement in the second panel just kills it for me. and then there's more text in the 3rd....ick.oh well.
billporter at March 7, 2006 2:14 AM
AMEN
murfinator at March 7, 2006 8:20 AM
I just wanted to put in there that I'd like to do a hand-drawn panel too, and I actually could...
But I don't own a scanenr. So my pretty hand drawing would just stay on the piece of paper on my desk.
Shelly at March 7, 2006 8:32 AM
I was just puzzlilng over the "Oh, gosh, I really hate to mention it, and I'm sure you'll do better next time but well, um..." comments on some very obvs. FPs, and wondered "WTF is with the overindulgent-grandparent-style coddling, and with kids these days and the flagrant disregard of the 'if you can't get it up, then pass it on' rule (I blame public schools. Have you seen our national reading comprehension scores lately? If only our theocracy came with classroom nuns, armed with metal-edged rulers.)?" Now it all makes sense.
"holy crap that's a finger pointer of a statement you know?" is as unlikely a mob incitement as any, but then this is a pretty unlikely mob.
The line that Phineas drew a long time ago is more indelible, now. Read the rules. If you can't get it up, pass it on. Enforcement has begun, and it hurts participants just about as much as perpetrators [RIP Corpse 373].
Jessica at March 7, 2006 9:46 AM
Seeing as the Forum seems to be feeling a bit down today:
This Hand Drawn thing:
How easy would it be just email each other with 'strips', emailing finished slices back, in turn? Constraints on width, but, not necessarily on depth of strip.
Scanned drawing presents the problem of matching paper colour and grain. Though I suppose some pretty ordinary printer paper might have enough 'tooth' for pencil work. Personally, I prefer the precision of ink anyhoo.
Colin Vincent at March 7, 2006 6:02 PM
Yeah. I know. I'm having far too much fun with this.
As ridiculous and bassackwards as this sounds; I think it would be really cool to do real life drawing and paper folding and snail-mail our work. The last person (or designated organizer) being the scanner/poster.
However, Colin, I think e-mailing would do it too but there's still the issue (I think Shelly pointed it out) of people who don't have easy access to a scanning system to convert their hand work into digital.
Do libraries, wifi places offer that?
And totally unrelated: Waaaahaaahooo! It's hailing!!!
[The dwarf is so easy to amuse.]
Luddite Dwarf at March 7, 2006 6:19 PM
Waaaahaaahooo! It's hailing!!!
[not here though ):(]
I guess 'hand' drawing could include hand-drawn on screen. Anyways, sure, I guess, libraries, on-line access places... whatever. BUT, the paper colour?
I wonder if the forum's up yet.
Colin Vincent at March 7, 2006 7:57 PM
This one works! I love it! That the photo is of THE fresh prince makes no difference (except editorially) any portrait in those tones would have worked just as well.
lilah at March 13, 2006 8:34 PM
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