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Eyeballs, boobies, and skeleton hands - what more could a guy ask for? I dig it. Nice work all.
mattb at February 9, 2006 8:36 AM
Hey that looks pretty good! I'm a little concerned that on second look you can see the seam on mine--and it looks like mine is maybe shifted about 1px to the right. Did I do that? Dang it.
I was really worried about this one (not as worried as the next one I worked on but pretty worried). Partly I think because my color management on my display made the layer above SO dark that I didn't trust my eyes. That olive-brown (which the eyedropper picked up so nicely) showed up as an almost black gray on my screen. I couldn't see a thing! Is this a common problem for others?
I'm decidedly pleased that the upturned faces in my panel and Miroje's panel both seem to be oriented around the same thing. Perhaps they are worried the hand is going to pluck an eye from them and hang it on the chain next.
burnunit at February 9, 2006 9:44 AM
It's completely insane. The quality of the corpsing is insanely good and the image itself is like an ineffable nightmare experienced under light anesthetic.
Cicada at February 9, 2006 9:52 AM
ooh! i like!
Zounds Padang at February 9, 2006 10:08 AM
honestly, i'm a tad bit disappointed in the transition after my section. i expected something different. no offense 3tim4, your piece is nice... i just wanted so badly for this corpse to turn into a flesh related surreal object. that's why in my strip i left only a small bit of flesh hoping you'd build upon that. other than that, i guess the corpse is interesting.
goo (mariam) at February 9, 2006 12:23 PM
btw... nice ending!
goo (mariam) at February 9, 2006 12:26 PM
There seems to be an abrubt transition between the first 2 artists' renderings. Otherwise, I appreciate the darkened theme this EC presents.
creativeruiny at February 9, 2006 1:14 PM
Nicely done, especially Burnunit's piece. Very very cool slice.
Burnunit, I work on these at home and at school, and on some computers I get slices that look so dark that I can't figure out if I'm doing the right thing. Then on others they brighten up. I think flat-screens might be especially bad about showing things dark.
Shae at February 9, 2006 1:38 PM
When you look at the thumnail image for this, it kinda looks like the FIRST slice is a FP...but that's no-one's fault.
Kopaka88 at February 9, 2006 3:54 PM
well... isn't the person after me supposed to take cues from my slice?? my section looks like a FP because the transition from mine abruptly ends the image of the fingers. at the risk of sounding anal... i *feel* that when you receive a slice you must take into consideration or assume that the person before you has put some thought into what their slice reveals to the next person and to abruptly end their image makes for a bad transition, possibly alienating the section before them making it appear as an FP. Doesn't anyone agree with me??
I notice that sometimes people corpse like that and no one ever says anything about it. Look at peoples past corpses and their transitions... their track record speaks volumes.
goo (mariam) at February 9, 2006 4:26 PM
i agree completely miriam. i think too many times people bring their own plans to the work instead of letting the edge they receive inspire them.
...and. i'm new here. what's FP?
tony at February 9, 2006 5:01 PM
It's an interesting twist on perspective that the leading panel would be considered the Fresh Prince.
I find it rather funny.
However, with no slight meant to Goo -- because she's correct. The leading panel is just that.
I think the false perception comes from the other contributors attempting to maintain a theme and core corpse; so the first panel gets isolated as the odd one incorrectly.
And yes....working a panel at 200 dpi and so dark I couldn't recognize color in was a bitch -- but(!) still enjoyable to work on.
Miroje at February 9, 2006 5:06 PM
Tony:
Taken from Phineas' HOW of corpsing:
"...Important Note: For the sake of the Corpse's unity and flow it is important that Player 2 work from the strip received and not make their contribution a complete non-sequitur. (Look at this corpse and see if you can tell who might not have been really trying.) Not to limit anyone's creativity or anything, but operating, at least somewhat, within the limits of the strip you're given is part of the fun of the game...."
Miroje at February 9, 2006 5:33 PM
I do take offense at your oh so subtle judgement as to my relative/appropriate level of effort. Believe what you will. As to "not making ...contribution a complete non-sequitur, perhaps you can find it in your "heart" to forgive me my questionable stretch of imagination.
I'm fine with admitting/accepting my less than seamless transition where it reflects the shortcomings of my photoshop skills. Perhaps the administrator needs to raise the participant admittance standards. So much for the surrealist's sense of adventure and open- mindedness.
3tim4 at February 9, 2006 6:29 PM
3tim4: If you're happy with your work, what does it matter what anyone else thinks?
If your comment regarding subtlety was directed at any of my postings, please know...there's nothing subtle about me.
I responded in agreement with Goo (not directly related to you), and I answered Tony's question (again, not directly related to you).
Where you take it from there is entirely your own ride.
Miroje at February 9, 2006 6:49 PM
I took the liberty to isolate what I see as one of the "elements in question" (i.e. the part where the seam is hardest) and really if one was confronted with those 15px at the base of the thumbs, it could result in the above sensibly. consider this view of the cutting which I put on my personal site. The outer edges of the thumbs curve toward darkness and I could really see drawing them back together the way 3tim4 did-- looking at just those 15px, you can see the curvature of the grooves and lines on the thumbs and it's not immediately apparent they're digits! Close up, that minutely considered, they look a little like wings or bats' ears. And the colors in the immediate vicinity of the seam work.
I mean, I just did a slice (I won't say which) where I know I matched the color and some of the shapes involved almost perfectly at the pixel-level, but I just have night terrors that in the overall 'gestalt' of the 800px-high corpse, mine could look weirdly out of place because I pulled out some tiny color elements and incorporated them into a larger element. I mean Isn't it just true that sometimes it's a crapshoot? Something strikes me like that fable or whatever ... the blind men describing the elephant...
All that could come off like backhanded praise, and it's not intended to be backhanded at all. I think I'm saying that the isolated elements are very easy to make a decision about that other people won't like or that get perceived as "off". I got very lucky when you look at mine--those long black lines tie in all right, but the shape they connect to is very organic and they are decidedly not. That it worked is sheer luck, imho. And I'm sticking to my guns on the monitor/color matching thing. If you look at it on my laptop screen and tilt the monitor a bit (and I don't mean extraordinarily tilted) 341 is as perfect a corpse as anything I've seen here. Tilt it back and...it's still really good. So there.
burnunit at February 9, 2006 11:06 PM
I don't really get what the problem is. They're obviously fingers. They could have been connected onto a hand but instead they grow like horns out of an abstract blot. I look at this corpse and I see the devil as a cancer cell. The effect is chilling and that is more than a worthy enough emotion for a work of art to envoke. Let's take it easy on each other.
Cicada at February 10, 2006 12:19 AM
Yeah, the idea that a first panel could be a FP is funny. Even if the 1st corpser just did a scan of a cereal box and posted that they wouldn't be a FP, they'd be lazy but not a FP. Whatever comes out of the abyss has it's own essence and it is the following corpsers who have the duty to confront it with their art. A fresh prince comes about when the following corpser disdains to take any cues from the slice he (or she) has received.
However, I can imagine that there are cases where what might be considered a FP to the eye, would not really be one as a concept. For example if confronted with a slice that is quite evidently a cereal box, might we not be perfectly in line with then adding the ingredient panel from an Old El Paso Cheese and Bean Burrito. To the eye, we would see the different color, font, etc. as clashing but to the mind, we would recognize that like has met like. I don't think such a corpse would be very satisfying to us either as participants or onlookers but if the right things came together it might work.
Thus endeth the lesson.
Sein und Zeit at February 10, 2006 6:26 AM
I think the problem with the second slice is that it contains a double-whammy... either issue alone might not have been the big deal that the two together seem to be. There is both something of a disregard for the initial subject, and then there is a seam.
I can imagine that if a hand had continued down with a bit of a seam, OR if the circular blobby thing which is there had been more smoothly transitioned, that it would have seemed less FPish. Either would have been a saving grace.
But with an abrupt end to the subject matter AND a seam the whole thing just kind of looks tacked on.
My $.02.
Shae at February 10, 2006 7:24 AM
For the record, I don't see any FP in this corpse. I don't like seeing the seam but then I've left a few behind myself, I think we all have.
Sein und Zeit at February 10, 2006 8:59 AM
Burnunit: You make great art, and you have good heart. That's a spectacular combination.
Miroje at February 10, 2006 8:59 AM
well this has turned out to be a worth while discussion. there are many different but important perspectives here to consider.
ultimately, i just want to be able to have high expectations for everyone, including myself. if everyone enjoys themselves and does their best keeping in mind this is a collaborative processs with a few, but important rules, then we have accomplished what this site has enabled us to do. and that's beautiful. i hope i haven't made any enemies while stating my opinions. 3tim4 i hope you're not mad. this IS a good corpse overall. to be honest, when i looked at all the other corpses you've done and saw that you did similiar seam transitions, i felt i had to say something... perhaps to just challenge you more. believe me, you're by far better than some i've seen, which means you're saveable. you have a good imagination.
peace
goo (mariam) at February 10, 2006 12:42 PM
Miroje: My defensiveness arose from (incorrectly) believing the parenthetical content in Phineas' quote was your addition. Today I went to Phineas' original and the FP link within. That link only reinforces my confidence in declaring I'm no FPer. I'll continue to work at improving my PS skill set. Sincerely hoping my aesthetributions otherwise successfully seep.
3tim4 at February 10, 2006 1:03 PM
3tim4:
I may be misreading the other posts, but I don't know that your panel was ever in question as being a FP. I didn't see it that way, and it was more the irony of three other panels somewhat more synchronous with each other forcing a fourth panel to falsely "appear" like a FP, when, for that particular panel (the first one), it's technically not possible to be a Fresh Prince by definition.
I liked your contribution here, and the 15 pixels you passed on to me were by far the most difficult and challenging I'd ever been given (and this is something I enjoy and appreciate very much).
And again...if you are happy with your work, that is what matters.
Whether your work gets critique or praise or indifference...what does it matter other than what it matters to you -- personally?
Miroje at February 11, 2006 12:00 PM
Wow. So much commentary. For all that's been said about technique, I still think it's good corpsing in the fact that the distressed lady in the fourth slice seems fixated on the fingers and eyeballs in the first.
FogBaron at February 13, 2006 10:10 AM
another keeper. great job folks.
Bill Porter at February 14, 2006 9:16 PM
oh you didn't think so?
Bill Porter at February 14, 2006 9:20 PM
wow, I'm suprised that my simple statement caused so much dabate. Of course, I find no fault in anyone and I wouldn't even consider the second one to NOT flow. (Its flows quite well) I was only comentating that on the tiny picture of it on the home page, the first looks really out of place, but when you look at it up close it looks fine...
Aaron (kopaka88) at February 15, 2006 5:43 PM
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